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PostSubject: unfair pvp and removal of card   Sat Apr 03, 2010 3:35 pm

i think u guyz already know about this that there is an unbalanced pvp on our server, RK's doing 999999 each strike of em skills, also GC'... AB's buffs are too hard to crack. plus the ranger class has no match in pvp even with full equips, i know ive tried. with them perfect dodge's 99% of attacks are "miss" how are we supposed to have a fun and challenging pvp if them perfect dodge exist low chance of hitting with normal attack skills and rangers dont have that much powerful damaging skills, u have to trap em first before aimed blow skill takes place. even if trapped. the damage is still very low then RK will use its long range skill and damage u 999999 each..
my point is. at least removed the perfect dodge. so we can have balanced and fun pvp and the imba 999999 damage of RK and GC's cross impact.

now for the removal of card
before when i first played i saw the tao gunka card at card seller having a price of 600cash. but now after some server restart. its gone. u have to hunt it "tried but its super hard" or buy with 7 poring coins!? OMG O_O while all of them pvp players have tao gunka's because they wer able to buy it before at card seller. now yet again, unbalance unfair pvp. thats all XD


ps... always vote for our server to help our community to grow, more players = more fun and harder to win events also, but the hell with that! its more fun!!
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PostSubject: Re: unfair pvp and removal of card   Sat Apr 03, 2010 5:57 pm

You can skip the next text block if you want. xP

Spoiler:
 
LONG STORY SHORT :

I agree with disabling "Perfect Dodge." Because of Perfect Dodge the only way to PvP is to use Skills, and no more of the normal click-attack which is the Ranger's and maybe even the Gunslinger's specialty.

I agree with putting back the Tao Gunka card in the store, it's pretty unfair for new players who want to join PvP/WoE as soon as they can.

I do NOT agree that GC and RK are imba.

I agree that ArchBishop defense is too much. But nobody knows how to fix that. O_o
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PostSubject: Re: unfair pvp and removal of card   Sat Apr 03, 2010 10:21 pm

and for GTB ? 25% is not acceptable 50% is enough i dont think it is right to minimize the effect of gtb then warlock is for farming purposes for now on. and for tao gunka card yes we do agree to put it back to the npc it is unfair to new players.
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PostSubject: Re: unfair pvp and removal of card   Sat Apr 03, 2010 11:34 pm

migz is right. i think he was the one who saw me do 999k damage with sonic wave to mimi. i have 25%x4 to demi-human. o.o thats why i did 999k damage. :O
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PostSubject: Re: unfair pvp and removal of card   Sun Apr 04, 2010 12:11 am

Ranger underpowered too much, gm's should try creating one and testing it. with full gears so that they would know what im talking about..
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PostSubject: Re: unfair pvp and removal of card   Sun Apr 04, 2010 12:17 am

dkjarmen wrote:
and for GTB ? 25% is not acceptable 50% is enough i dont think it is right to minimize the effect of gtb then warlock is for farming purposes for now on.
dude. that's why we have this sentence existing "Class Balance" if you put back 50% on GTB. everyone will get their GTB so that Arch ans warlock will be useless. 25% is enough already. honestly. i don't have GTB but im planning to buy. if i really need it. but. as of now. i don't need gtb. reflect does it already. oh well. you have different fight style. and WARLOCK AREN'T MADE JUST FOR FARMING DUDE. THEIR GONNA KICK SOME A** IF THE USER IS GOOD AT WARLOCK. you'll see:)
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PostSubject: Re: unfair pvp and removal of card   Sun Apr 04, 2010 12:21 am

dudes Chill..!!
the server is still undergoing some Fixes...!
Give it time, just like watering a seed, then time passes and POOF!! u gOt an EverGreen Tree
O_O humongous.. xDD

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PostSubject: Re: unfair pvp and removal of card   Sun Apr 04, 2010 12:22 am

warlocks aint just for farming, u should see one do pvp with full equips, and kiels,, they like frost you then jackfrost you then that earthstrain and that O_O tetra vortex my gfs warlock is fully geared tried on pvp, tetra do four 999999 damage
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PostSubject: Re: unfair pvp and removal of card   Sun Apr 04, 2010 1:07 am

kulai wrote:
dkjarmen wrote:
and for GTB ? 25% is not acceptable 50% is enough i dont think it is right to minimize the effect of gtb then warlock is for farming purposes for now on.
dude. that's why we have this sentence existing "Class Balance" if you put back 50% on GTB. everyone will get their GTB so that Arch ans warlock will be useless. 25% is enough already. honestly. i don't have GTB but im planning to buy. if i really need it. but. as of now. i don't need gtb. reflect does it already. oh well. you have different fight style. and WARLOCK AREN'T MADE JUST FOR FARMING DUDE. THEIR GONNA KICK SOME A** IF THE USER IS GOOD AT WARLOCK. you'll see:)

dude i am a warlock who said that warlock is useless with gtb XD , btw i want it back to 50% so that others can with stand the spam skills.
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PostSubject: Re: unfair pvp and removal of card   Sun Apr 04, 2010 1:22 am

dkjarmen wrote:
kulai wrote:
dkjarmen wrote:
and for GTB ? 25% is not acceptable 50% is enough i dont think it is right to minimize the effect of gtb then warlock is for farming purposes for now on.
dude. that's why we have this sentence existing "Class Balance" if you put back 50% on GTB. everyone will get their GTB so that Arch ans warlock will be useless. 25% is enough already. honestly. i don't have GTB but im planning to buy. if i really need it. but. as of now. i don't need gtb. reflect does it already. oh well. you have different fight style. and WARLOCK AREN'T MADE JUST FOR FARMING DUDE. THEIR GONNA KICK SOME A** IF THE USER IS GOOD AT WARLOCK. you'll see:)

dude i am a warlock who said that warlock is useless with gtb XD , btw i want it back to 50% so that others can with stand the spam skills.

they can stand the spam with maya card. and 50% is way too huge already. 50% nullify the damage then + mdef pa. anong say mo? Sleep
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PostSubject: Re: unfair pvp and removal of card   Sun Apr 04, 2010 4:32 am

razor3000 wrote:
warlocks aint just for farming, u should see one do pvp with full equips, and kiels,, they like frost you then jackfrost you then that earthstrain and that O_O tetra vortex my gfs warlock is fully geared tried on pvp, tetra do four 999999 damage

There's a solution to that.... Elemental Def or MDef.

@migz
you finally woke up from this? Classes are made for their purposes. I agree with you on this one.

@all
You need strategy to overcome other classes OK?

Classes are not IMBA coz they have this and they have that. THINK what you need to overcome these...

and I agree GTB should be only 25% or at least 30%.
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PostSubject: Re: unfair pvp and removal of card   Sun Apr 04, 2010 4:47 am

cheers for kouj! she's way too right. Very Happy but not 30% on gtb. 25% will do. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: unfair pvp and removal of card   Sun Apr 04, 2010 6:15 am

GM can you minimize the damage of the asura strike of the champion because it's so imbalicious.... thx....
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PostSubject: Re: unfair pvp and removal of card   Sun Apr 04, 2010 6:20 am

Asura strike isnt imba with a GR card on..

@kouj:
what did i wake up from?
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PostSubject: Re: unfair pvp and removal of card   Sun Apr 04, 2010 6:33 am

sakura u should try making a ranger, u will see.. u wont be able to do much damage even if u did ur "overcome" thingy.. hehe
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PostSubject: Re: unfair pvp and removal of card   Sun Apr 04, 2010 9:27 am

i ask some few ppls about any good Class..

and most of them suggests RK .. whats with this cLass that makes this famous?
strong? imba? or just OP'ed
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PostSubject: Re: unfair pvp and removal of card   Sun Apr 04, 2010 9:33 am

err. sonic wave is kinda OP. but. its on how the way you make your strategies. it doesn't mean that if you're a RK you can kill all the other jobs. anyways. its on you what job will you use.
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PostSubject: Re: unfair pvp and removal of card   Sun Apr 04, 2010 2:59 pm

Okay let me briefly discuss everything we have here:

First of all GXs and RKs skills issue: The true problem here is most of the players we at the server now tends to have incredibly high vit. It is only possible to have 999k damage with asura or a thana user hitting a full high vit player. I've performed tests on each and every skill thats said to be OP or imba. Let me be specific, RKs = Sonic Wave.

Sonic Wave
Type Offensive Max Lv 5
SP Cost 25 + 5*SkillLV
Target Enemy
Range 9 cells
Requirements Enchant Blade Level 3
Cast Time Instant
After Cast Delay 1 sec
Effect Slam your weapon into the ground to unleash a shockwave that strikes an opponent at a distance. The farther away the target is, the less damage they take.
Other Notes

Level Description
1 600% ATK
2 700% ATK
3 800% ATK
4 900% ATK
5 1000% ATK


Mostly we see 999ks of this at PvP. I tested it myself by doing a RK myself. Well i was able to do 999ks on high vit players using Abs Poll Axe. While low damages on Low vit build players. Lets take a look on a bigger picture here.

Total Physical DEF greater than 190 up. Triggers Thanatos Card or Ice Pick Effect dealing More Damage.

Not because we see " OmG Sonic Wave Does 999ks" doesnt mean it is the normal damage it does, we are just forgetting about the basics and are mostly blinded by just what we outside. Did you taught about "Maybe my vit is too high, cause he does 999ks on me using Abstract Poll axe?" And lets not forget how much STR you will have with Abs Megs and Sacred Valk. =) Well my bottom line there are basic tactics in RO that we should all need to learn and keep in mind to be good pvpers.

Ex. GR+2Devs+2Thara = Asura will be drastically lowered.


GTB is nerfed down to 50% so you will need 2 to achieve 100%. Also by using GTB your SP consumption is pumped up to 200%. We dont want to take off the true use of GTB. Lets just put in mind using GTB shield will make you open to physical attacks. GTB will stay at 50% at the moment.

Well the server is not yet completely finish. 3rd jobs skill arent complete yet.
And we dont want to loose the essence of RO by nerfing everything =) for the meantime, Let's enjoy what we have.

The point is we are in a Super highrate server. We would see 999ks due to the number of stats we have.
But that doesnt mean its overpowered or cant be countered. Well when i get some free time I'll post a tutorial about basic countering tactics and knowledge about Elemental Properties.

Thanks and Good Day!

Let's support AbstractRO! Invite more friends.

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PostSubject: Re: unfair pvp and removal of card   Sun Apr 04, 2010 3:23 pm

razor3000 wrote:
sakura u should try making a ranger, u will see.. u wont be able to do much damage even if u did ur "overcome" thingy.. hehe

I already have a Ranger and have been testing before with Fritz and Kulai. I understand that ranger still has some issues and that includes the warg not attacking.

@Migz
Woke up from all the nerfs. lol

@GM zutto
Well said! Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: unfair pvp and removal of card   Sun Apr 04, 2010 9:57 pm

i agree with zutto. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: unfair pvp and removal of card   Sun Apr 04, 2010 11:27 pm

zutto what about the tao gunka card T_T >Smile
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PostSubject: Re: unfair pvp and removal of card   Sun Apr 04, 2010 11:49 pm

tao gunka drops his card. o.o whats wrong with it? hmm i've got my tao's from tao gunka. i didn't bought any cards that can be dropped by the monsters. dude. its just a matter of diligence, oh well i think you were diligent enough on getting gold coins. but, you can still get the cards from the monsters*that drops their cards, ex. Tao Gunka.* goodluck hunting Tao Gunka. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: unfair pvp and removal of card   Mon Apr 05, 2010 12:11 am

hunt tao gunka eh?, hmm tried but how would u know if tao gunka respawned already? theres no way u would know, u hunt from time to time still aint there someone might have killed it already u wer waiting for it the whole time then someone killed it already O_o or havent respawned yet..
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PostSubject: Re: unfair pvp and removal of card   Mon Apr 05, 2010 5:29 am

roan. i've helped you already.
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PostSubject: Re: unfair pvp and removal of card   Mon Apr 05, 2010 6:19 am

tnx so much kulai u really helped me a lot ^^
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